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	<title>Comments on: There is no spoon &#8211; The challenge of unlimited bandwidth in a limited world.</title>
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	<description>Jonathan Endersby, Recovering Technologist</description>
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		<title>By: Louis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would even settle for uncapped local bandwidth.

The local ISPs are forever complaining that their bottleneck is the fiber running to the US and UK, but why is it that local bandwidth is so slow and expensive?

We have always had a history here of artificially created scarcity, which I can only conclude comes down to the fact that service providers (once they reach a certain size) end up with the type of employees that don&#039;t actually want the burden of supporting more users. So they simply do a poor job to discourage potential customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would even settle for uncapped local bandwidth.</p>
<p>The local ISPs are forever complaining that their bottleneck is the fiber running to the US and UK, but why is it that local bandwidth is so slow and expensive?</p>
<p>We have always had a history here of artificially created scarcity, which I can only conclude comes down to the fact that service providers (once they reach a certain size) end up with the type of employees that don&#8217;t actually want the burden of supporting more users. So they simply do a poor job to discourage potential customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Johan Swarts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johan Swarts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Akkoord - very insightful article. Kudos, Stii.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Akkoord &#8211; very insightful article. Kudos, Stii.</p>
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		<title>By: bradlesliect</title>
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		<dc:creator>bradlesliect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 07:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Makes for interesting read...but the FAQ still remains how soon with the AUP for ALL ISP and ISP users become law i.e. passed in parliament? I have seen ppl DL between 20-30GB in like 3days since the uncapped as started and its just a matter of time before they are clamped, klapped and nailed...until then.... ENJOY THE RIDE!!!

The ISPs doing uncapped are &quot;advertising&quot; no throttling but they don&#039;t tell you that the your amount of data you DL is not throttled but it is in fact your speed when you reach a certain about of GB downloaded....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Makes for interesting read&#8230;but the FAQ still remains how soon with the AUP for ALL ISP and ISP users become law i.e. passed in parliament? I have seen ppl DL between 20-30GB in like 3days since the uncapped as started and its just a matter of time before they are clamped, klapped and nailed&#8230;until then&#8230;. ENJOY THE RIDE!!!</p>
<p>The ISPs doing uncapped are &#8220;advertising&#8221; no throttling but they don&#8217;t tell you that the your amount of data you DL is not throttled but it is in fact your speed when you reach a certain about of GB downloaded&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommygun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tommygun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, right on the money and even with some humour. 
Good stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, right on the money and even with some humour.<br />
Good stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommygun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tommygun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and talk of stumble upon, Joe and Jacques. How are you old timers :) ...guess this isn&#039;t the forum tho&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and talk of stumble upon, Joe and Jacques. How are you old timers :) &#8230;guess this isn&#8217;t the forum tho&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Wogan</title>
		<link>http://www.arbitraryuser.com/blog/2010/03/31/there-is-no-spoon-the-challenge-of-unlimited-bandwidth-in-a-limited-world/comment-page-1/#comment-49813</link>
		<dc:creator>Wogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno. Uncapped is exactly what all of these ISPs are selling - unlimited usage. Now that we&#039;ve basically solved the &quot;cap&quot; problem, I&#039;m guessing we&#039;ll start turning to the issue of throttling, which will become the next selling point.

If there&#039;s anything that ISPA should rule on, it&#039;s the _speeds_ that are considered &quot;broadband&quot;. People love pointing out that 384k (and even 512k) can&#039;t be considered true broadband. Setting rules on minimum linespeeds and excessive use throttling could probably be the most useful thing ISPA does at this point.

And yes, great article. It&#039;s good to see more level-headed discussion, and less diva whining.

~ Wogan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno. Uncapped is exactly what all of these ISPs are selling &#8211; unlimited usage. Now that we&#8217;ve basically solved the &#8220;cap&#8221; problem, I&#8217;m guessing we&#8217;ll start turning to the issue of throttling, which will become the next selling point.</p>
<p>If there&#8217;s anything that ISPA should rule on, it&#8217;s the _speeds_ that are considered &#8220;broadband&#8221;. People love pointing out that 384k (and even 512k) can&#8217;t be considered true broadband. Setting rules on minimum linespeeds and excessive use throttling could probably be the most useful thing ISPA does at this point.</p>
<p>And yes, great article. It&#8217;s good to see more level-headed discussion, and less diva whining.</p>
<p>~ Wogan</p>
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		<title>By: Chris M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great summary, I think most of the nerdosphere understands it, but it&#039;s the poor person who doesn&#039;t know better that is going to sign long contracts and find themselves stuck.

There&#039;s a reason Telkom haven&#039;t offered uncapped yet, perhaps they&#039;ve realised that this would come up and are working on something else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great summary, I think most of the nerdosphere understands it, but it&#8217;s the poor person who doesn&#8217;t know better that is going to sign long contracts and find themselves stuck.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reason Telkom haven&#8217;t offered uncapped yet, perhaps they&#8217;ve realised that this would come up and are working on something else.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Marneweck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacques Marneweck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice summary - one would wish that guys like mweb, afrihost, etc. were honest upfront before happily grabbing money from consumers - what would be interesting to see if telkom follows suite and starts offering larger caps on accounts rather than saying it is an &quot;all you can eat&quot;.  Remember dotco who lost their battle against telkom a few years back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice summary &#8211; one would wish that guys like mweb, afrihost, etc. were honest upfront before happily grabbing money from consumers &#8211; what would be interesting to see if telkom follows suite and starts offering larger caps on accounts rather than saying it is an &#8220;all you can eat&#8221;.  Remember dotco who lost their battle against telkom a few years back?</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, ok.. that&#039;s not really true.. I also want dark fibre between my home and office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, ok.. that&#8217;s not really true.. I also want dark fibre between my home and office.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I may be the only person I know which is happy with about 3GB/m.. (of low latency traffic). (-:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I may be the only person I know which is happy with about 3GB/m.. (of low latency traffic). (-:</p>
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